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“why i’m post-emergent”

It finally had to happen I guess. I’ve just felt to often that the values I embraced for living the faith and I thought I saw in the emergent conversation have not materialized in reality. So I finally have to admit (not that anyone cares) I’m post emergent. Why? Here are five reasons.

  1. The conversation still looks to much like the old conversation, white, male and academic. The dominant culture still dominates.
  2. The values behind the conversation aren’t readily expressed in actions. No generous orthopraxis to go with the generous orthodoxy. (see my previous post)
  3. The lexicon of the white European theological framework which still dominates. There is very little inclusion of black theologians and the theological framework of people of color. People of color seem to be included in the conversation only if they are willing to use this language and framework. It seems we all need to read NT Wright in order to have any credibility.
  4. Talk, talk and more talk. My experience is we love to talk about this stuff but other than retro worship stuff we don’t get around to acting on it. Even so talk about diversity has never come to the fore. I want to be the church and act like the church not just talk like the church.
  5. Ultimately its about relationships and I have made some good ones which go beyond the whole emergent (non movement) thing. So I’ll go about the spiritual practice of reconciliation through relationships with my brothers and sisters and leave emergent tag to others.

andre daley explains.

it was #5 that i resonated with the most. i think we all long for the transpropositional. Now, for me, that’s something I’ve gotten out of the emerging church conversation. But I also realize it’s totally possible to talk about being transpo more than actually being transpo!

ht to jordon.

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you must see this video

pls trust me.

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“why i’m post-emergent”

It finally had to happen I guess. I’ve just felt to often that the values I embraced for living the faith and I thought I saw in the emergent conversation have not materialized in reality. So I finally have to admit (not that anyone cares) I’m post emergent. Why? Here are five reasons.

  1. The conversation still looks to much like the old conversation, white, male and academic. The dominant culture still dominates.
  2. The values behind the conversation aren’t readily expressed in actions. No generous orthopraxis to go with the generous orthodoxy. (see my previous post)
  3. The lexicon of the white European theological framework which still dominates. There is very little inclusion of black theologians and the theological framework of people of color. People of color seem to be included in the conversation only if they are willing to use this language and framework. It seems we all need to read NT Wright in order to have any credibility.
  4. Talk, talk and more talk. My experience is we love to talk about this stuff but other than retro worship stuff we don’t get around to acting on it. Even so talk about diversity has never come to the fore. I want to be the church and act like the church not just talk like the church.
  5. Ultimately its about relationships and I have made some good ones which go beyond the whole emergent (non movement) thing. So I’ll go about the spiritual practice of reconciliation through relationships with my brothers and sisters and leave emergent tag to others.

andre daley explains.

it was #5 that i resonated with the most. i think we all long for the transpropositional. Now, for me, that’s something I’ve gotten out of the emerging church conversation. But I also realize it’s totally possible to talk about being transpo more than actually being transpo!

ht to jordon.

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Audio of CS Lewis!

Roger of the A Team points us to “the only surviving footage of CS Lewis’ broadcast talks” on the BBC’s Website.

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Audio of CS Lewis!

Roger of the A Team points us to “the only surviving footage of CS Lewis’ broadcast talks” on the BBC’s Website.

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Tim Keller in the New York Times

Within a year of its founding in 1989, however, Redeemer had grown from 50 people to more than 400. By the end of 1992, the church had swelled to more than 1,000 people. Since then, it has continued to grow steadily, all while renting space in several locations.

Sept. 11 proved to be a defining moment for the church. On the Sunday after the terrorist attack, more than 5,000 people showed up. So many people packed the church’s Sunday morning service that Dr. Keller called another service on the spot, and 700 people came back to attend. While attendance returned to normal in other churches after several weeks, Redeemer kept attracting about 800 more people a week than it had drawn before the attack.

“For the next five years, I would talk to people about when they joined the church, and they said right after 9/11,” Dr. Keller said.

link (free registration required)

I think he first hit my radar screen in talking to Steve Knight at the Hard Times Emerging Church Cohort and DJ Chuang, also @ the Hard Times, is faithful to mention Keller’s exploits on his blog and has a useful page on him. A few weeks ago, I started pulling down some of the talks DJ points to and have been throwing them on my Nano. I like the guy.

ht to Justin Taylor

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Don Miller and John MacMurray’s To Own a Dragon, Reflections on Growing up Without a Father

Miller’s publicist sent me a review copy of this book and my wife has been inhaling it the last two days. She comments:

I loved Don Miller’s “To Own a Dragon, Reflections on Growing up Without a Father.” Although it’s written for men, I was laughing so hard, my husband kept telling me, “Be quiet, you’re going to wake the girls!” Thoughtful and honest, Miller details his insecurities and foibles with poignancy, and says to the rest of us perhaps the most “Christian” thing we can say to one another: “You’re not alone.”

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